VALMET BRAND OF AMMO ???

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VALMET BRAND OF AMMO ???

Post by Tallin » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:00 pm

I bought this Valmet Empty Brass Cartridge Case on E-Bay today. It was inexpensive, and curiosity got to me. Marked Valmet 16, and Eley, in the sellers description, whatever that means. Anyone know if Valmet actually made ammo, or anything about this?

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Valmet ammo???

Post by kommanderkool » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:40 pm

Eric:
What caliber would you guess the cartridge is? I'm curious. thanks.

David

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Post by Tallin » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:36 pm

kommanderkool wrote:Eric:
What caliber would you guess the cartridge is? I'm curious. thanks.

David


David,

16 is on the casing, so I am thinking 16 ga., shotgun, hard to tell from the photo's. I will know better when I receive the casing. Yes, a brass casing would be kind of weird for a shotgun, but what else would have a number 16 on it? I also, do not remember ever seeing a Valmet shotgun in 16 gauge. So far, it's another Valmet mystery!

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Post by celery » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:59 pm

Early Valmet shotguns in the Lion series were available in 16g.

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Post by Tallin » Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:15 pm

Miku wrote:Valmet Leijona 16/70 shotgun:

http://www.ace-gun.com/product_details.php?p=1168


Miku,

Can you tell us anything about the shell casing? When did Valmet make these, and why out of brass?

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Post by Miku » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:13 pm

I haven´t got a clue about the manufacturing dates but I know few reasons why they were made out of brass back in the days:

- More powder when using black powder because there is more room in brass than in a paper casing. It also takes a bigger wad.
- Brass can be reloaded over and over again. They last longer, paper doesn´t.
- Brass casing is not affected by moisture.

I visited a friend of mine today and he had couple of brass 16 ga´s. I had to take some pics:

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The VMT shells are older than Valmets but they came from the same factory. Valtion metallitehtaat (Goverment Steel factory) was founded in 1946 and marked as "VMT" or "ValMet". In 1951 VMT was founded as a Joint-stock company and given the name Valmet.

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Post by celery » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:23 pm

Miku,

That is some very interesting information to me.

Do you know when the Lion shotguns manufacture date started. I have one numbered 1216. It has the European cheek rest and single trigger. I'm looking for a double trigger and would like to know about how many of them were made, also.

Thanks for any help.

Gary

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Post by Miku » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:36 pm

The designing of the Valmet Lion shotgun started in 1946 and first weapon, 16/70 caliber, was inspected 14.9.1948.

Serial # for the first weapon was 1001.

The serial number 1216 indicates that the weapon was made in 1948. This leads to a contradiction with the fact that the one trigger models were introduced in 1950.
By this, I´d say that the trigger has been changed to single trigger afterwards.

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Post by Miku » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:48 pm

To correct the name behind the VMT; the name "Valtion metallitehtaat" is correctly translated as "State Metal Plants" and the name was given 1st of may in 1946. The whole name was State Metal plants, Tourula Works VMT. Tourula being the part of the city of Jyväskylä, where the factory was located. The factory is still there but it doesn´t serve as a weapons factory anymore.

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